19/07/2005 21:40:53 Dave I've just noticed that LoT have some terms and conditions now for their track days. Take a look at this and discuss! [color=blue][b]Lotus on Track Ltd Terms and Conditions [/b] The following terms and conditions apply to all Lotus on Track Ltd memberships and event bookings: All payments must be made in advance. A provisional booking will only be confirmed once Lotus on Track Ltd has received full payment. Bookings will not be honoured unless full payment has been received. We accept no responsibility for loss arising due to a booking not being guaranteed. All deposits and full payments are strictly non-refundable. Bookings cancelled within 2 weeks of an event are STRICTLY non-refundable. Booking refunds for events cancelled by the attendee prior to 2 week deadline will be subject, without exception, to a £13 or 20% (whichever is the greater figure) admin fee. Event fees alternatively can be left in credit for use at a future Lotus on Track Ltd events. Credit will be cancelled if not used within 6 months. [/color][font=Verdana] [color=blue]Lotus on Track Ltd recommends that track day insurance is taken out by participants and cannot be held responsible for damage occurring to vehicle or person. Lotus on Track Ltd reserves the right to refuse any booking or membership. Lotus on Track Ltd also reserves the right to cancel an individual’s membership without notice but will refund the membership fee in full in this occurrence. Although Lotus on Track Ltd will endeavour to honour all bookings and events Lotus on Track Ltd reserve the right to alter in any way or cancel any event. If this becomes necessary Lotus on Track Ltd will endeavour to inform booked customers as soon, as is practically possible. Lotus on Track Ltd cannot be held responsible if an event is cancelled or stopped due to forces beyond its control and such fees paid for such events are strictly non-refundable and refunds are made at our discretion. No claim for loss can be bought against Lotus on Track Ltd. Individual events are governed by rules, regulations and safety regulations given in advance to all customers, which must be agreed to. Lotus on Track Ltd reserve the right to eject and refuse access to any customer found to be in breach of those rules. All event participants are required to sign an industry standard indemnity form before participating in an event. If this is not done Lotus on Track Ltd reserve the right to exclude the said participant. All images, film and recorded sound of an event remain the property of Lotus on Track Ltd and may not be used commercially without permission of Lotus on Track Ltd. The fact that information, products or services are shown on this site does not necessarily mean that the product and services that we provide are suitable for you. It is your responsibility to check this out. Some of the services on this site may not be available or ma[/color][/font][font=Verdana][color=blue]y have changed. (For instance - all vehicles must be able to obtain an MOT to enter an event. If there are changes to MOT regulations which effect a vehicle previously cleared for events, it is your obligation to ensure it meets the new ones). All persons booking onto an Lotus on Track Ltd event agree to the following provisions: That by booking you wish to drive a vehicle or vehicles, and/or otherwise participate in a track event organised by Lotus on Track Ltd. You understand that motorsport is hazardous, and you are voluntarily exposing yourself to risk of damage or loss or personal injury by participating in a track event. Despite this, you understand that racing is prohibited, and that the purpose of the event is to allow the participants to improve their skills and learn the handling characteristics of the vehicle(s) they are using. You understand that any insurance carried by Lotus on Track Ltd and/or the event location operator in respect of any liability which might arise out of the track event will be limited, and that your own motor, third party and public liability insurance (if any) is unlikely to cover you for your losses, liabilities or personal injury and agree not to hold any member, agent or staff of Lotus on Track Ltd responsible or liable for any loss or damage to property or person. You also declare and understand the following: - 1. Lotus on Track Ltd will not be scrutineering participant's vehicles before permitting them on the track, nor has it any control over the level of competence of other participants. 2. Lotus on Track Ltd is not a training organisation. Experienced track users will be on hand to give guidance, but it is just that - informal hints and tips. 3. Lotus on Track Ltd, whilst giving guidance on, and where required to, enforcing the rules and safety standards of the event location operator, will not otherwise enforce track discipline or safety measures. I myself am responsible for the way in which I use the track, and for wearing appropriate protective clothing. 4. Lotus on Track Ltd and/or the event location operator may refuse me access if I, or my vehicle, infringe any relevant rules or regulations or appear dangerous. I understand that the payment(s) I have made to Lotus on Track Ltd will not be refundable under these circumstances. You declare: - 1. That I am fit and healthy and that my eyesight (with lenses if to be worn) is adequate for track use. 2. That any vehicle for which I am responsible, and/or which I will use on the track, is in good and suitable mechanical condition. 3. That I hold a current full licence entitling me to use, on the public roads in the UK, a vehicle of the size and type that I will be using on the track. 4. That I will not participate in a track event whilst under the influence of alcohol or intoxicating drugs. I agree to make no claim against Lotus on Track Ltd or it's officers or agents in respect of any loss or injury suffered by me during a track event, and to indemnify them against their costs and losses arising out of any claim made against them by anyone to the extent that such costs and losses are attributable directly or indirectly to my participation in a track day. I have read and agree with the above declaration and indemnity, and agree that it's terms will also apply to my participation in any future track day organised by Lotus on Track Ltd, unless I sign a subsequent declaration and indemnity, which will then take precedence. It is taken that by becoming a member of Lotus on Track Ltd and/or booking an event and or attending an event and/or relying on information provided by Lotus on Track Ltd that these conditions are agreed to and that you have read, understood and acknowledged the above declaration.[/color][/font]

20/07/2005 17:19:23 Cannonball Bob Interesting policy on refunds. But I think we need a set of T&Cs.

01/08/2005 12:37:22 Rob Bell It is somewhat off-putting isn't it? But probably all common-sense stuff. We could certainly learn from this, and produce something similar?

05/10/2005 13:08:12 Dave [QUOTE=Rob Bell]It is somewhat off-putting isn't it? But probably all common-sense stuff. We could certainly learn from this, and produce something similar?[/QUOTE]Agreed - something for a committee meeting over the winter methinks.

08/11/2005 12:02:13 Jennie I thought I'd cobble some draft T&Cs together for the web-site and commitee comment and, naturally, LoT T&Cs seemed a good starting point! ;) I noticed a rogue "An" before "Lotus on Track" in one place and just wondered if they'd "borrowed" Easytrack's T&Cs... and indeed they have! :D Now I do like the T&Cs (with slight amendment) but if we adopt them without substantial variation, it's worth bearing in mind we may need to check with Marcus as well as Paul? Any thoughts? :confused:

08/11/2005 12:06:32 Dave [QUOTE=Jennie]I thought I'd cobble some draft T&Cs together for the web-site and commitee comment and, naturally, LoT T&Cs seemed a good starting point! ;) I noticed a rogue "An" before "Lotus on Track" in one place and just wondered if they'd "borrowed" Easytrack's T&Cs... and indeed they have! :D Now I do like the T&Cs (with slight amendment) but if we adopt them without substantial variation, it's worth bearing in mind we may need to check with Marcus as well as Paul? Any thoughts? :confused:[/QUOTE] Brilliant - well done Jennie :D As for checking with Easytrack, that shouldn't be a problem - especially if we go via Paul to do this. Drop Paul a quick email to ask who to contact and get his view on it. IMO it's just a courtesy thing rather than a copyright thing.

08/11/2005 12:08:22 Jennie Will do. Thanks! :)